Video: David Zicarelli on criteria and fluency

Tuesday, December 9th, 2008


David Zicarelli (Cycling 74) from STEIM Amsterdam.




Jamboree Opening Event - Monday

Monday, December 8th, 2008

Anticipation leading up to the gathering

A real sense of anticipation for this Jamboree. I had had a very apprehensive feeling walking from the Metro to STEIM on my last visit back in November, my first time back since Michel’s passing. It was enormously reassuring to see the place well, and just keepin’ on going. Then the news that financial support had been reinstated was a joy of relief. The Jamboree affirms this continued livelihood and liveliness of the place, and the community.

I rushed up on an early train Monday to be able to work w/ Jorgen to finish my instrument, and as I worked away in the workshop, the afternoon leading up to the first session was a wonderful reunion. David Z walked in, first visit to STEIM, went out for lunch w/ Frank and Taku. Then there was Dan Overholt in the software room, tinkering around w/ his new touch-joystick instrument. As if he had never gone away. Then I turhed around and Sukandar had walked in -

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To David Zicarelli - from a woman using Max/MSP!

Monday, December 8th, 2008

David Zicarelli, founder and CEO of Cycling 74, company behind Max/MSP, introducing the design decisions behind the very different Max 5. The design improvements really reflect an attempt to incorporate creative users needs, aiming for fluency in programming so that the creative process is allowed to take the foreground.
I particularly liked the feature of presentation mode which recognizes the different processes of building/programming and testing, allowing two different views of the same patch to be open and worked on at once. This division of the programming process and the interface starts to recognize the conceptual mismatch between the process of technical design and the creative goals. Why is it that many Max users play around with their patches without having a predefined idea of the outcome that’s needed? Why does Zicarelli express surprise at this? Musically, how close is this kind of working to improvisation rather than composition? Does Max/Msp facilitate a way of working that allows fluency of conceptual musical ideas and not just technical fluency?

In using Max/MSP I tend to push the material around until I get the sonic results I want. I don’t try to define the outcome before embarking on it, I concentrate on the process. I aim to let the ‘material’ - the data I’m processing for example - find characteristics audible in sound that I wouldn’t be able to predict before I hear it. Sound is not programming! There needs to be a possibility to play with the sound while building, to play with the programming, to change, to tweak, to experiment, to allow mistakes, to allow the possibility of discovering new ideas, and to ultimately shape sound in ways that are not limited to the conceptual thinking of the programming language that it’s built in.

This is why I like Max and still work with after 10 years as the program of choice for the work that I make. But, as was pointed out by Zicarelli, I am one of a shocking minority of women in the Max/MSP community of users. Why? Why do I like it? Why am I one of only 4 women in the room? It points to a larger problem visible in the minority of women in electronic music.

David’s attention to the male dominance visible in Max, is at least an acknowledgement of the problem. But it cannot be seriously considered by following with jokes on the female nature of the roundness of button/bangs in the graphic interface ;-) a joke that made all the men in the room laugh, alienating the women, and continuing to talk on a male level.




David Zicarelli on Max 5

Monday, December 8th, 2008

Frank introduces David as a huge source of inspiration for him to develop software.

David starts with mentioning that he’s glad that STEIM is finally open enough so he could visit ;) .

Max 5 was started for a big part from scratch, since the Max 4 source was still based on 80’s programming. Aside from that it’s always difficult for programmers to not be able to get rid of things in the software because people are so used to it…

‘Programming is relatively easy for people - using the computer is far more difficult.’ Getting started is the problem. How do you learn the program? Printing out the manual? Displaying the manual onscreen, which doesn’t really fit with the program itself? All documentation is written in XML format, all rewritten with Luke Dubois. What do people use on the computer? A webbrowser! Another program: iTunes. There should be a database of things they care about. Another thing: convert the program to use unicode - especially usefull for user in Asia.

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